Sonny and the Sunsets
» Sonny shares stories from seedy Denver venues turned Denny's diners.
Sonny Smith is a renaissance man. Though his band Sonny and the Sunsets has gained recent popularity with last year’s release of Tomorrow is Alright, their debut full-length for Soft Abuse, he’s been on the scene (and various other scenes) forever.
He’s a filmmaker, playwright and artist. He’s been making music solo, and taking it around the world, since he was 18. He’s got big ideas; a recent project, titled 100 Records, commissioned 100 artists to design 7” covers for 100 fictional bands he made up and wrote 100 songs for. He acts, sings beautifully, and has collaborated with the likes of Wilco’s Leroy Bach, Miranda July, Neko Case and John Dwyer. With Sonny and the Sunsets, Sonny created the natural result of years of touring and songwriting: a beautiful, complete album. His band includes members of Citay, The Dry Spells and The Fresh and Onlys. Together, they make kickass sounds.
All this work and travel makes for a wise, interesting guy. Sonny’s easy to talk to, funny to boot, and recalled some great stories below. I got the chance to catch him at Pitchfork Music Festival, where he wowed an impressively-sized crowd that were just as into the performance as he was. Here’s why his music works so well: his tunes are tinged with the wisdom of age and his voice rings through with all the youth of a dreamer, making for a powerful juxtaposition – and really powerful music.
So how’s it going, how was your set today?
It was really good, felt really good. Proud of ourselves… we didn’t mess up too bad.
How does this show compare to your more recent summer shows?
We played a few days ago at this little club in San Francisco, we have a home club called Amnesia we love to play at. It’s like our own little home place, it’s our favorite little club we play when we’re there.
What’s the biggest show you’ve ever played?
This might be it. I remember opening for Neko Case once at the Vancouver Jazz Festival or something like that, and it was a pretty ginormous place.
In general, do you prefer smaller venues as opposed to huge shows or festivals?
Certainly.I mean, maybe I haven’t felt the full ego-surge of thousands of people knowing your music, or something… maybe that might sway somebody to want to play stadiums, but it just seems like the little clubs are the most fun.
Do you guys play a lot of house shows?
I haven’t in the last year or so, but I always have. Besides the Sunsets I really like to do solo stuff, folk songs and stuff. Sometimes the house shows at buddies’ houses and stuff like that are the best, the absolute best for that. As a band, I would say no, but me, I would say yes, I do that a lot.
Got any good stories from house shows?
There seem to be a lot. In recent memory… last year I was in Alaska and I was playing in this little town, Hanes, Alaska. It was just this little bar in a very small town, and people were just going crazy for music, and I was just solo and I got this drummer from another band and this bass player, and we just kind of played. They didn’t know any of my songs so we just played in E, kind of rockabilly jams, and people danced for 2 hours. Then it was 1(a.m.) when we were done, and we were having beers, and I noticed that nobody was leaving the bar, and I was like oh, this is weird, then it was like 2(a.m.), I was like, what time does this bar close? And they said six… Nobody was leaving ‘cause it was still daylight, so we played another set from 3-4, and then we played another set from 5-6, so it’s just like… this is the best gig I’ve ever played. I didn’t play any of my songs, we just played in E for 3 two hour sets.
That’s pretty sick.
It is, that was the best.
Especially because, well, I don’t know what the music scene’s like in Alaska, is Hanes just a small town, or is it a suburb of a bigger town?
It was a small town, Hanes, it’s a beautiful town… but it was an interesting town because they had told the tourist boats to shove it, they said don’t come here. Their economy was depressed. So they didn’t have much infrastructure. It was a very quiet town. But maybe the same personality that told the tourist boats to take a hike was out that night. It was a cool town.
Where do you guys tour most, are there any spots you hit in particular?
We just go up and down the west coast mostly, every year, sometimes twice a year. You go into Portland a lot, Seattle, Los Angeles, Big Sur… just a coast kind of thing. If we were a bigger band maybe we’d be doing nationwide tours all the time. It’s what I’ve known. I don’t really have too much to compare it to. I’ve done other tours, but those have proved to be the most fun. Visit friends, you know people, you got to the beach along the way, you go swimming… it’s a good way to live.
Did you grow up in California?
I did, San Francisco.
Do you think if you’d lived in Idaho, would that have your music much different? Would you be making music?
Probably… I went to Colorado when I was 17, that’s really where I started playing music anyway, so that’s really a not-so-obvious place to be a musician and play music. It’s more typical to go from Colorado to New York or San Francisco or something if you’re trying to be in bands, so I can’t say it wouldn’t have happened if I’d been somewhere more typical. I’m sure the West Coast has shaped something for us.
Colorado itself seems like such a cool state, I’ve never been.
I was in Gunnison first, then Denver… I really liked Denver, actually, I had sort of a romantic affinity with it. I kind of thought of it as a beatnik, beat kind of town, I was young and into that sort of thing. I liked its sort of downtroddenness, and its, you know- you go to LA and New York and it’s all obvious, you’re also paying for some Vice Magazine shit or something, I dunno. You go to some real city that isn’t hip, like Denver, Baltimore, it’s a little more interesting and fun. Denver’s an interesting town. I lived in the beat up part of the downtown area, I dunno if it’s even still there. It was the last of a skid-row dive bars kind of feeling.
Any stories from Denver?
I used to pay at this bar, I think it’s since been closed down, but it was called Muddy Waters. It was a coffee shop after hours type of place, stayed open ‘till four in the morning, and I would play the piano at it – I would play these sets, really late night sets, and I remember showing up once and there was like 15 cop cars there, and I was like, what’s going on? And the doorman had beat the shit out of somebody with a baseball bat. A week later it was sold and it had been turned into a Denny’s, and it was gone. It was like, wow, that’s the fastest gig I’ve ever lost in my life. I showed up a week later, it’s like, it wasn’t there.
It’s a Denny’s.
Right. It was like, wow.
I wonder what somebody did to piss him off enough to get him to beat them up with a baseball bat.
I never knew. I dunno what the story was, but it was kind of- it kind of sums up Denver for me, tough and mysterious and weird.
Like David Lynch stuff.
Kind of, yeah.
Are you guys staying for tomorrow?
No, I’m flying out tonight for Alaska, going back to Alaska.
Are there any acts you’re gonna see tonight?
Well, I dunno, I think I’m going to see Cap’n Jazz tonight, but they’re not at the festival. They’re some after party.
That’s like a reunion tour, that’s huge.
It’s huge, yeah, that’s what I’m lined up to do.
Are you familiar with Panda Bear, LCD Soundsystem, the headliners tonight?
I’ve heard LCD Soundsystem ‘cause they’re everywhere now, they fucking blew up huge in the last 3 months or something.
They’re managed by William Morris Entertainment. It’s like, they also probably manage Lady Gaga or whatever. He’s great, but yeah, blown up.
Ahh, makes sense. I dunno. I’m not too- you know what, dirty secret, I don’t really keep up on current music.
Sometimes I feel like with artists I interview, when they say “I don’t listen to recent music, I listen to the stuff I fell in love with and grew up with,” that’s real to me. I’m gonna be listening to the shit I was listening to when I was 13 for the rest of my life. Not that I won’t fall in love with new bands.
Sometimes it’s easier to go back to your old staples, maybe, your old… you know what you like.
What are your old staples?
Oh, I just go through my little phases, I was just listening to the Clash again, like I haven’t given a good listen to the Clash for the last 5 years and then I was like, “oh my god, the best band ever!” So I just had a little two month love affair with the Clash, I’ll be like, “we’re just gonna cover the Clash from now on, no more of our own songs, we’re just gonna spiral out and be done this year, but it’s gonna be great ‘cause we’re just gonna play Police and Thieves for 20 minutes… and then that’ll pass and somebody’ll be telling me about William Harrison or whatever, I’ll be like, “oh yeah!” and I’ll listen to William Harrison for a month and be like, "this is the greatest guy ever! We’re just gonna play all William Harrison songs and it’s gonna be great!" Then that’ll pass then I’ll hear the Kinks in some movie soundtrack and be like, “what the... I forgot all about the Kinks!” you know, and I never get around to being like “Panda Bear? I better check these guys out.”
The Kinks, I just bought State of Confusion on vinyl.
It’s hard to really argue with that music even though it’s coming up on 50 years old.
It’s kind of crazy to think that it’s even-
Half a century old?
Do you know The Raspberries?
Yeah, I have some of their stuff on my iTunes, I’ve never been a crazy Raspberries fan though. I think the Zombies are something, you know, you know they’re there, you know they’re great, but for some reason you haven’t had the Zombies box set or whatever. I had a Violent Femmes resurgence, I found a Violent Femmes mixtape or something, it was like what the hell! Why doesn’t everyone sound like this?! Ridiculous!
I think the best way for a band to spiral out would be if you decided to only cover the Clash or William Harrison, every single show.
People would be like, “cool, they just played the Clash, that was great,” then the second time, the third time, then like the eighth time, you’d be like, they’re done!
Your publicist’s on the phone, like, “what the hell are you doing?”
Yeah, exactly.
Anything you wanna say about Pitchfork?
Thanks for bringing me here, people.
Coming back next year?
Yeah, I’m headlining. Little deal I worked out with Pitchfork, the William Morris agency, and… me. We met at the bar last night.
Posted on August 25, 2010
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